for mr. fix-it, mr. romney who's actually can bring bipartisan reform to washington, he's actually been able to pass historic bipartisan reforms president obama hasn't done in a bipartisan way. >> unfortunately, what would come up from that is, well, you might have been able to do some of those things, but you couldn't even run for re-election because your approval ratings were in the low 40s. so there's the problem. >> i want to disagree with the governor at my own peril, which is to say that i believe romney has to provide some meat on the bones here because the argument against him is that, okay, you've got this great budget planned, but how are you going to reform the tax code? >> if you look at what they did in the convention, the theory of the convention was the governor's theory. prove that mitt romney isn't a robot, that he is a human being, that he loves his wife, he loves his kids and so on. they were pretty successful at that. but beyond that then you have to say here's why he's not going to end medicare as we know it. here's why he's actually going to help the middle class.